Seminar XVII: Psychoanalysis upside down/The reverse side of psychoanalysis: 1969-1970 : from 26th November 1969: Jacques Lacan

by Julia Evans on November 26, 1969

Index

a) Availability of Cormac Gallagher’s translation

b) Availability of Russell Grigg’s translation

c) Details of its publication in French

d)  Related Posts

e)  Contents of:

i) Seminar XVII as translated by Cormac Gallagher

ii) Seminar XVII as translated by Russell Grigg and edited by Jacques-Alain Miller & links to further Notes and References

f) Quotations

g) Further information

a)  Translated by Cormac Gallagher from tape-recordings.

This text is therefore unedited and includes many more of the interventions than the edited version. See ‘d) Related texts’ below

Title: ‘The seminar of Jacques Lacan: Book XVII: Psychoanalysis upside down/The reverse side of psychoanalysis’

Dates: 1969-1970

Published at www.lacaninireland.com

Available here.

b)  Translated by Russell Grigg – see below for information & notes

Title: ‘The Other side of psychoanalysis: The seminar of Jacques Lacan: Book XVII’

Edited by Jacques-Alain Miller

Published: W.W. Norton & Co: 2007

c) in French :

Le Séminaire de Jacques Lacan, Livre XVII, L’Envers de la Psychanalyse, 1969-1970, by Éditions du Seuil, Paris, 1991

d) Related posts :

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Analyticon: Impromptu No. 1 : 3rd December 1969 : given at Vincennes: Jacques Lacan or here

Lacan: Seminar XVII: The Other Side of Psychoanalysis: 1969-1970 or Seminar XVII: Psychoanalysis upside down/The reverse side of psychoanalysis: 1969-1970 Jacques Lacan begins 26th November1969

Radiophonie: 9th April & 5th June 1970: Jacques Lacan or here

Interview on the steps of the Pantheon : Wednesday 13th May 1970 : Jacques Lacan or here

Analyticon 2 : Impromptu Number 2 : given at Vincennes : Wednesday 4th June 1970 : Jacques Lacan or here

e)  Contents

i) Cormac Gallagher’s translation – see below for Notes & References

Introduction

Quote from Cormac Gallagher’s introduction: … There is no critical French version of this seminar [XVII] to compare with … But when the official French text is compared to the ‘pirate editions’ that have been widely used by students over the years, a number of rather curious editorial decisions come to light. Here are the most obvious:

The four replies to the questions of ‘Radiophonie’ read by Lacan to his seminar are omitted.

Only one of Lacan’s memorable visits to the University of Vincennes is reported.

The discussion on ‘Hosea’ with Professor André Caquot has been truncated and omits many of the lively exchanges with Lacan.

A number of passages in the ‘pirate’ editions ring truer and are certainly more vivid than the corresponding ones in the official version. …

Wednesday 26th November 1969 : Session 1:  p 3-18

Wednesday 10th December 1969 : Session 2 : p36-38

Wednesday 17th December 1969 : Session 3 : p39-50

Wednesday 14th January 1970 : Session 4 : p51-68

Wednesday 21st January 1970 : Session 5 : p69-85

Wednesday 11th February 1970 : Session 6 : p86-102

Wednesday 18th February 1970 : Session 7 : p103-121

Wednesday 11th March 1970 : Session 8 : p122-141

See note below for quote on segregation

Wednesday 18th March 1970 : Session 9 : p142-157

Wednesday 8th April 1970 : Session 10 : p158-182

Wednesday 15th April 1970 : Session 11 : Monsieur Caquot speaks from p189-208 (XI7) : p183-208

Wednesday 13th May 1970 : Session 12 : As the Law Faculty was closed because of the date, the Seminar could not be held. Lacan answered a certain number of questions that were put to him ‘on the steps of the Pantheon’. This is the transcription of Lacan’s answers.  Several questions, inaudible on the recording, are missing. : p209-218

Wednesday 20th May 1970 ; Session 13: P219-236

Wednesday 4th June 1970 : Analyticon 2 : Vincennes : Impromptu Number 2 : p237-249

Wednesday 10th June 1970 : Session 14 : p250-268

Wednesday 17th June 1970 : Session 15 : p269-283

ii) Russell Grigg’s translation

Titles for the sessions given by Jacques-Alain Miller & Notes & References

Session of 26th November 1969 : Production of the four discourses : Subtitles; Discourse without speech; Loci preinterpret ; The relationship between knowledge and jouissance ; The slave robbed of his knowledge

Session of 10th December 1969 : Supplement, Following session, Agitation : (Abbreviated to 2 pages)

Notes:

Occupy the madness-29/01/2012- The Docta Ignorantiaby Bruce Scott on January 29, 2012 or here

Availability given Analyticon: Impromptu No. 1 : 3rd December 1969 : given at Vincennes: Jacques Lacan or here

AXES OF THE ANALYTIC SUBVERSION

17th December 1969 :The master and the hysteric : Subtitles; Knowledge that is not known; The hysterization of discourse; Knowledge and truth; The half-said; Enigma, citation, interpretation

Notes:

‘Meno’, Montaigne and the ‘Docta Ignorantia’: Some thoughts and comments on the weak symbolic in the 21st century by Bruce Scott on January 21, 2012 or here

14th January 1970 : Knowledge, a means of jouissance : Subtitles; How am I translated ; Dominants and facts of structure; repetition and jouissance ; The production of entropy ; Truth is impotence

References : (See quote below)

Preface to ‘Jacques Lacan’ by Anika Lemaire : 25th December 1969 : Jacques Lacan or here

&

General Purport of a conversation with Jacques Lacan : December 1969 : Anika Lemaire or here

Notes

Chapter IV, p1-18 of Cormac Gallagher’s translation) : ‘Meno’, Montaigne and the ‘Docta Ignorantia’: Some thoughts and comments on the weak symbolic in the 21st century by Bruce Scott on January 21, 2012 or here

(p48) Some relations between Jacques Lacan and Søren Kierkegaard: Seminars II, VII, X, XVII, XX & two of the Écrits or here  by Julia Evans on December 16, 2011

21st January 1970 : Truth, the sister of jouissance : Subtitles; Logic and truth ; Wittgenstein’s psychosis ; Politzer and the university ; De Sade’s humour

11th February 1970 : The Lacanian field : Subtitles; Freud masks his discourse ; The happiness of the phallus ; Means of jouissance ; Hegel, Marx, and thermodynamics ; Wealth, property of the wealthy

BEYOND THE OEDIPUS COMPLEX

18th February 1970 : The castrated master : Subtitles; The master signifier determines castration ; Science, myth, the unconscious ; Dora and her father ; unusable Oedipus

11th March 1970: Oedipus and Moses and the father of the horde: Subtitles; The master’s pure knowledge ; The malaise of the astudied; Genealogy of surplus value; The field of bullshitting; The Oedipus complex, Freud’s dream

See note below for quote on segregation

18th March 1970: From myth to structure : Subtitles; Truth, castration, and death; The father, a structural operator; The dead father is jouissance; Act and agent; The hysteric wants a master

9th April & 5th June 1970: Supplement, The following session: Radiophonie : abbreviated to two pages: See here or here Radiophonie: 9th April & 5th June 1970: Jacques Lacan for translated complete versions.

15th April 1970: Yahweh’s ferocious ignorance : Subtitles; Freud and Sellin; False interpretation; Making perfume; Moses slain ; The marital allegory

THE OTHER SIDE OF CONTEMPORARY LIFE

13th May 1970: Interview on the steps of the Pantheon : Subtitles; Affects; Philosophy and psychoanalysis; The student and the proletarian

Notes

Some relations between Jacques Lacan and Søren Kierkegaard: Seminars II, VII, X, XVII, XX & two of the Écrits or here  by Julia Evans on December 16, 2011

Full information available:

Interview on the steps of the Pantheon : Wednesday 13th May 1970 : Jacques Lacan or here

20th May 1970: Furrows in the alethosphere: Subtitles; There’s only one affect; The object a and the cogito; Science and perception; The multiplication of lathouses

4th June 1970 : This is omitted from Russell Grigg’s translation

Analyticon 2 : Impromptu Number 2 : given at Vincennes : Wednesday 4th June 1970 : Jacques Lacan or here

10th June 1970: The impotence of truth : Subtitles; Freud and the four discourses; Capitalism and the university; Hegel’s practical jokes; Impotence and impossibility; What can a miscarriage do?

17th June 1970: The power of the impossibles : Subtitles; A bit of shame in the sauce; The milk of truth puts one to sleep; The luster of the real; The student, brother of the lumpen-proletariat; A little shelter

APPENDICES

3rd December 1969: A Analyticon : Subtitles; An agitator prepares his own chocolate; The impasse of psychoanalytic selection; Credit points; Nothing is everything; Look at them doing it:

This session took place at Vincennes, an experiemental university, on 3rd December 1969. It was announced as the first of four under the title “Analyticon, four impromptus”

Full availability : Analyticon: Impromptu No. 1 : 3rd December 1969 : given at Vincennes: Jacques Lacan or here

1970: B Monsieur Caquot’s presentation :

The editor Jacques-Alain Miller writes, Monsieur André Caquot, at my request, has been kind enough to write up, in 1990, his presentation of 1970.

Note:

This report of the discussion on ‘Hosea’ with Professor André Caquot has been truncated and omits many of the lively exchanges with Lacan. Cormac Gallagher’s translation has more detail of the interventions. Cormac Gallagher notes in: Wednesday 15th April 1970 : Session 11 : that Monsieur Caquot speaks from p189-208  (XI p7) : p183-208)

f) Quotations

– Seminar XVII : 14thJanuary 1970 :

This quote refers to Preface to ‘Jacques Lacan’ by Anika Lemaire : 25th December 1969 : Jacques Lacan or here

&

General Purport of a conversation with Jacques Lacan : December 1969 : Anika Lemaire or here

to which Jacques Lacan refers. : p40 of Russell Grigg’s translation :

p IV 3 of Cormac Gallagher’s translation : This point comes up here then in connection with a thesis, which, faith, was produced at the frontier of the French language area, where people are valiantly struggling to maintain its rights. It is at Louvain that a thesis has been written on what is called, perhaps inappropriately, my ‘work’. Let us not forget that this thesis is a university thesis and that things must be put forward in a university style, and the least that can be said is that my ‘work’ lends itself badly to it. That indeed is why it is no bad thing that right up front of such a proposition, of a university thesis, there should be put in their place what university-style contributions had already been made in terms of being a vehicle of the aforesaid ‘work’, still in inverted commas. This moreover is why one of the authors of this Bonneval report (Antoine Vergote) is also put in the forefront of it, and in a way this meant that in my preface I could not avoid pointing out that some distinction should be made between what is eventually a translation of what I state and what I properly speaking said. In the little preface that I wrote for this theiss which is going to appear in Brussels – and it is obvious that a preface from me will give it a lift – I am forced to point out clearly – this is the only useful thing about it – that it is not the same thing to say that ‘the unconscious is the condition of language’, and to say that ‘language is the condition of the unconscious’. Language is the condition of the unconscious: that is what I say. This way it is translated stems from reasons that certainly could be completely justified in detail, by strictly university motives – and this certainly would take us far, and will perhaps take you far enough this year. From strictly university motives, I am saying, there flows the fact that no one who translates me, who has been formed in the style, the kind of requirements of the University discourse, can do anything other, whether he believes or not that he is commenting on me, than to reverse my formula. Namely, give it an implication, it has to be said, strictly contrary to the truth and without the slightest homology to what I put forward. Undoubtedly, the difficulty attached to translating me into university language is also what will strike all of those who for whatever reason attempt it, and in truth, the author of the thesis I am speaking about was animated by the best of reasons, those of an immense goodwill. This thesis, which is going to [pIV 4] be published then in Brussels, nonetheless retains all its value, its value as an example in itself, its value as a example also by what it promotes in terms of an almost obligatory distortion by reason of the translation of something that has its own laws into University discourse. I have to trace out these laws, they are those that claim to give at least the conditions of a properly analytic discourse. Naturally, this remains subject to the fact that, as I underlined last year, the fact that I am stating it here from a podium on high involves in effect a risk of error, an element of refraction, which means that from some angles it falls under the influence of the University discourse. This results from the fact that there is fundamentally something out of synch. I assure you that every time I come here to bring you the word, what is at stake for me is certainly not what I have to say to you, or what am I going to say to the this time? In this respect I have no role to play, in the sense that the function of the one who teaches can be seen in terms of role, of a place to occupy which is, incontestably, a place of some prestige. That is not what I demand of myself, but rather something that is a putting into order which imposes on me the duty to submit this exploration to this test. Like anyone else, I would, of course, avoid this putting into order when confronted with this sea of ears among which there is perhaps a critical pair, having, with this dreadful possibility, to give an account of the path my actions have taken with respect to the fat that something of the psychoanalyst exists (qu’il y a du psychoanalyste). That is my situation and the status of this situation as such has not been regulated, up to the present, in any way that is appropriate to it, except by imitating, except by encouraging, a resemblance to numerous other established situations. In the event, this leads to hypersensitive selection (of) practices, to a certain identification to an image, to a way of behaving, even to a human type that nothing seems to suggest should be obligatory, even to a ritual, indeed to some other measure that, at a better time, a time long past, I compared to that of a driving school, without moreover provoking from anyone any protest whatsoever. There was even someone close to me among my students of that time, who pointed out to me that this was in truth what was desired by anyone who became committed to an analytic career – to obtain a driving licence just like at a driving school, along well mapped out paths involving the same type of examination. :  See beginning of Seminar XVII: Psychoanalysis upside down/The reverse side of psychoanalysis: 1969-1970 : from 26th November 1969: Jacques Lacan or here

–  On segregation : Seminar XVII : 11th March 1970 : pVIII 16 to 17 of Cormac Gallagher’s translation  :

The energy that we have from all being brothers very clearly proves that we are not so. Even with your blood brother nothing proves that we are his brother – we can have a completely opposite batch of chromosomes. This passion for fraternity, not to Mind the rest, liberty and equality, is something that is outrageous and we would do well to see what it is covering over. I know of only a single origin for fraternity – I mean human, always humus– it is segregation. We live of course in a period where segregation, ugh! There is no longer any segregation anywhere. It is unheard of when you read the newspapers. Only in society – I do not want to call it humanbecause I use terms sparingly, I am careful about what I say, I am not a man of the left – I note everything that exists, and in the first place fraternity, is founded on segregation. No fraternity is even conceivable, has the slightest foundation, as I have said, the slightest scientific foundation, except through the fact that people are isolated together, isolated from the rest by something. It is a matter of knowing how it works, and of why it is that way. But in any case, that it is like that leaps to the eye, and acting as if it were not true must necessarily have some drawbacks. What I am telling you here is a kind of half-saying. If I am not telling you why it is like this, it is first of all because, if I say this is how it is, I am unable to say why it is like this. Here is an example. In any case, they discover that they are brothers, one wonders in the name of what segregation. This means that, as regards the myth, this is a little weak. And then, they all decide, with one heart, that no one will touch the little mammies [p115 of Russell Grigg’s translation gives mummies]. Because, besides, there is more than one of them. There were interchangeable, since the old father had them all. They could sleep with the brother’s mother, precisely, since they are brothers only through their father.

No one ever seems to have been amazed by the curious fact of the extent to which ‘Totem and Taboo’ has nothing to do with the usual use of the Sophoclean reference.

Also quoted in Discourses that kill : 1st December 2018 : Thomas Svolos  or here

 

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Julia Evans

Practicing Lacanian Psychoanalyst, Earl’s Court, London

 

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